daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmI don’t use the term in that old posting; I merely express a unique relationship between conformal projections and a restricted set of equal-area projections. That restricted set would be the duals.
Ah, I found the paragraph you're refering to. It's near the bottom: "What this implies is that there is an equal-area analog to any conformal map such that the equal-area map has isocols coinciding with the isocols of the conformal map that is optimal for the same region."
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmWhat I expressed there is a constraint that a conformant projection must satisfy, not a relationship between projections.
What you meant, maybe. It's not what you said.
You prefaced your two conditions with "duals are:", not "conformant projections are:", and the first condition was definitely in terms of comparing two projections rather than defining a conformant projection (explicitly confirmed in your clarification in the following paragraph, where you explicitly state that "aligned" is comparing the isocols of two different projections, not comparing the isocols of one projection to some other property of that same projection), so your second condition which
is about a single projection doesn't fit as written.
...It also doesn't work because
all normalized equal-area projections satisfy the condition that
γ = −1 (and therefore constant), contradicting your claim that not all equal-area projections are conformant.
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmMilo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:06 pmThis definition is essentially equivalent to my "constant-resolution" property, mentioned in the first post of this thread.
Nearly. You do permit a constant stretching in the direction in which the equidistant property is realized, which mine does not.
Hmm?
My definition is that
b has the same value everywhere, while your definition is that
b is 1 everywhere. Clearly, rescaling so that whatever constant value you have becomes 1 is trivial, and does not meaningfully change the projection. Although I suppose you're right that your definition would technically exclude formulations for which this rescaling has not been applied.
(The same vagary is also applicable to equal-area projections. Technically, any projection with constant flation everywhere, even if that flation is not 1, would meet the literal definition of "equal-area", but in practice it's pretty much always convenient to renormalize so the constant is 1. At least for the purposes of analyzing the mathematics, even though most world maps aren't life-size.)
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmMy definition has another constraint: isocols coincident with its conformal dual. I’m not sure my second constraint is reasonable. Just a proposal.
Ah, okay. Yes, that narrows things down. Or... not, since you
defined duals as projections with the same isocols, so if a conformal dual exists at all, then its isocols will be coincident.
Though if you're trying for that kind of thing, it would seem more natural to use a definition that works in the projection itself, rather than needing to reference an as-yet-uncomputed dual. Such as requiring that the projection has zero torsion (in the sense you define in your linked post: Tissot major axes are parallel to isocols). It is not immediately obvious that this is the same as having a conformal dual. Or, well, that would require you to clean up your definition of what a conformal dual is before deciding.
Then again, as you point out, equal-area projections are more diverse than just the ones with zero torsion / conformal duals / whatever, so why shouldn't the same be true for equidistant projections?
Anyway, if both equal-area and equidistant projections
can have conformal duals, but conformal projections are in short supply, then either duality isn't guaranteed in the other direction either (some conformal projections have equal-area duals, and some conformal projections have equidistant duals, but not both), or conformal projections can have
more than one dual, in which case, well, calling it a "dual" is a misnomer. When things are called "duals" in mathematics, it's generally meant to be a self-inverse operation: the dual of a dual is the original thing again. Under the logic where I fancied conformal and (some?) equal-area projections being each others' duals, based on them having the same resolution-efficiency, equidistant / constant-resolution projections would be the
self-dual ones.
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmRight. The term “equidistant” has been applied to several projections, including, for example, Bonne/Werner (because distances from the north pole are correct). I think these usages expand the meaning in arbitrary directions that aren’t really helpful.
You're right that this precludes defining a consistent criterion of "equidistance" which is satisfied by all equidistant projections.
Nonetheless, these projections (well, at least the two-point equidistant one) are clearly useful and their equidistant property is relevant in the sense that you will often use them for applications where you want to measure distances. One of my examples was even one that you named "equidistant" yourself.
In general being equidistant along some paths is
not a particularly useful property, unless there is a reason why those specific paths (such as meridians) interest you more than others.
This is why I avoided trying to define "equidistant" and instead used the term "constant-resolution".
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmThe ”two-point equidistant” is itself an unfair appropriation; any normally recognized equidistant projection is equidistant from two-points. You just don’t get to specify the two points arbitrarily.
Unless your two points are "a point and its antipode", I don't see what you mean here. (On the sphere, knowing the distance from one point will automatically tell you the distance from its antipode just because of how spherical geometry works. This does not necessarily extend to the
projected antipodes, though, so the two-point equidistant projection is still not a four-point equidistant projection.)
daan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pmWell… by the definition I gave,
γ could never be greater than 1, since greater than that would exchange the major and minor axes. The gnomonic would actually be –2, not 2, by the definition I gave. Sorry about that.
Note my edit. If the axes are sorted so
a is always the semimajor (larger) and
b is always the semiminor (smaller) axis, then the proper value for the gnomonic projection would be 0.5, not 2 or −2. I've computed this multiple times, I'm pretty sure it's right.
It's still technically possible for
γ to be greater than 1, but this requires a semimajor axis which is smaller than 1, and a semiminor axis which is
even more smaller than 1. While clearly possible to construct as an artificial example, this is never seen in any practical projection.
If you instead define
a as the axis parallel to the isocol and
b as the axis perpenducular to the antisocol (which can, of course, only be done when the Tissot ellipses are in fact oriented correctly), then the gnomonic projection does have a value of +2. All other values remain as stated. But with this,
γ becomes undefined for many projections, even locally.
(I'm not entirely certain about your definition of "antisocol" as "the path of greatest change in distortion". Is it guaranteed that this path will always be perpendicular to the isocol? If not, then you clearly can't align Tissot ellipses to it.)