daan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:05 pmThis is part of what I was hinting at about the definition of projection. I wouldn’t consider polyhedral to be a category of projections at all. It is what I would call an
arrangement. I call it that because the projection mathematics and the bounding shape are independent of each other in polyhedral projections.
If you want to be pedantic, then what you really have is a poly
gonal projection, copied several times over in a poly
hedral arrangement. With the exception of the gnomonic projection, though (which is really a special case), the projections you use to map a spherical polygon onto a Euclidean polygon are totally different from the ones you'd use for any other purpose. They're analogous in concept, though, to how azimuthal projections map circles onto circles, or cylindrical projections map a meridian-interrupted globe onto a rectangle. The source and destination shapes of the projection are absolutely essential characteristics.
daan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:05 pmFor example, if the earth had a single supercontinent (like it has in the past) concentrated entirely in the southern hemisphere, I don’t think pseudocylindric projections would be a serious thing at all.
Would lenticular ones?
daan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:05 pmI have the same doubts if the earth’s rotational axis were tilted nearly to the plane of revolution, like Uranus’s.
Honestly, even the exact continental layout and axial tilt Earth has today would raise difficulties if only we weren't in an ice age, and Antarctica still had polar forests, like it did as recently as the Eocene.
Ultimately, every map projection needs to make a decision that
some places don't matter as much, and that you can just use a second map projection on the occasions where you care about them anyway. If literally every significant landmass were inhabited by humans, where would you place the interruption? A single point in the South Pacific? The land of your ancient enemies who are surely all a bunch of backwards savages anyway?
At the same time, even if there
are some interesting things near the poles, there is still a lot less surface area near the poles than in the tropics, simply because that's how spheres work. So people might still have an incentive to sacrifice the polar regions in their "main" maps, and just include insets to compensate.
Still, even if projections with pole-to-pole interruptions still got used, projections with
pole lines would probably be less popular, because those distort the polar regions even worse than merely interrupting them does. You're never going to use something like Strebe 1995 or Wagner VII if you care about Antarctica or Greenland. Though those are also among the few places that look better in Hammer than Mollweide...
daan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:37 pmdaan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:05 pmFor example, if the earth had a single supercontinent (like it has in the past) concentrated entirely in the southern hemisphere, I don’t think pseudocylindric projections would be a serious thing at all.
In that last circumstance, I wonder if we would have adopted spherical coordinates at all. The reason I think that question is salient is because it seems to me that a lot of our cognition about projections is based on a mindset of spherical coordinates.
We might use colatitude (distance of parallel from the south pole) instead of latitude (distance of parallel from the equator), but transforming between the two is trivial (
x ↦ 90° −
x), so it wouldn't affect our thinking much. Using latitude measured from the equator certainly hasn't stopped us from being comfortable with polar-aspect azimuthal projections.
Aside from that detail, I think that a longitude-(co)latitude coordinate system is appropriate for the vast majority of planets and moons, even Uranus-like ones.
The one situation in which I think we might not use a longitude-latitude coordinate system is if we lived on a tidally-locked planet. In that case, it would be more natural to measure distance and azimuth from the substellar point, instead of distance and azimuth from the poles. This is in a way still a spherical coordinate system, but transverse to the usual kind.
I don't think there are really any serious alternatives to a spherical coordinate system of some sort. We live on a sphere. What else are we going to use?
A 4D sphere gives you more options, since there's hyperspherical coordinates vs Hopf coordinates, but we don't live on a 4D sphere. (If we did, I think Hopf coordinates would be a better match for how climate is likely to work, unless again the planet is tidally locked. If tidal locking is even a thing in a 4D universe...)